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Problem
We have an issue with silicon anti-foam addition - what is the most effective way
people have found to inject the anti-foam to ensure maximum distribution over the reaction
surface, minimum addition and minimum carry-over? What types and vendors have people found
to minimize cost and minimize carry-over into the naphtha stream?
Solution
This is a compilation of 4 discussion threads.
- 1/5/99 Check out this research article I found at http://www.aem.umn.edu/research/foam/
"...Applications of foams and foaming are found in many industries like...Delay-Coker
reactors. However, foaming and defoaming are not yet understood. Foams trap gas and are
not wanted in many applications. Guitian and Joseph (1997) proposed fundamental studies of
their observations on foam suppresion experiments they carried out in a cold slit bubble
reactor. They present their most recent findings.
- 1/5/99 You should have the anti-foam nozzle as far away from the overhead nozzle
as possible. The carrier should be as heavy an oil as you can get to the top of the drums
and you should use as much carrier oil as your process will allow without actually
quenching the drum or causing excess vapor/liquid traffic in the fractionator. One
idea is to actually inject the anti-foam in large batches instead of a continuous small
stream. A larger batch quickly dumped into the top of the coke drum would avoid vaporizing
the carrier and thus reduce the carrying of the antifoam out of the drum.
- 1/24/99 We are finding that by using flow meters on the silicone and carrier
medium we can reduce usage of both significantly. In addition we inject antifoam
continuously in the fresh coking drum from the time the previously coking drum goes to
blowdown in the cooling cycle. Also, it seems to only take about 2 gpm of carrier to get
the silicone to the drum in a timely fashion. This reduces the velocity of the mixture
going into the drum and reduces carryover for our configuration. It also improves reducing
the foam head. We are using 0.4 to 0.8 gph of silicone (based on throughput) and 1 to 2
gpm of carrier. Our larger coke drums are 24 foot in diameter and 100 foot tall.
- 4/18/99 There are many ways to inject silicon. Nalco/Exxon has an efficient way
of Anti-foam injection. They have an inline blending system that works well. This system
can be easily adapted to any system.
- 4/28/99 What type of silicone antifoam do cokers use? It is my understanding that
some use a mixture of kerosene and high viscosity silicone antifoam or is just the
silicone antifoam OK. I think that they refer to the kerosene / antifoam as "coker
oil"
- 5/10/99 The antifoam used in many cokers is a 50/50 mixture of high viscosity
(60-100 cS) silicone and kerosene.
- 6/3/99 Is there any real success in mid level detection or even prediction to allow a
reduction of anti-foam use?
- 6/3/99 We have had a good history with K-ray probes. These are set up to switch on the anti-foam pumps.
- 8/9/99 How to cope with foam over?
- 8/9/99 Depends on how bad the foamover was. Did you have a foamover? A major
foamover will shut you down a lot of the time. If you are not down, you probably have a
sick furnace, meaning the furnace tubes are coked. If this is the case, you can try
on-line spalling. This can be risky due to the foamover and the amount of coke that got
layed down in the furnace tubes you may or may not be able to spall. The risk of spalling
a lot of coke at one time and plugging a return been or the outlet header goes up when you
foam a drum over. If you spall and you cycle temperatures during
- 9/23/99 You're talking powder coke coming to your farc.btm. ..well there are coke
stelling drums that you should operate at max ... when foaming takes place. Also you
can do this. Try to minimize chances of foaming by setting your system to alarm you
about things that might cause foaming ... i.e low inlet temperture sudden pressure surge
... etc
- 8/30/99 Besides Nalco/Exxon, there is Baker Petrolite, Chemlink, Betz and
independants. What exactly are you looking for besides suppliers?
- 9/1/99 BetzDearborn has excellent antifoam agent for delayed coker as well as any
other prupose. In Korea, one company is using Prochem 6A2, BetzDearborn product,for
several years. If you want to know more,please send mail to me.
- 9/30/99 I think Dow Chemical is a producer of the anti-foam and the others are
just resellers who package it so that you can use it as anti-foam.
- 9/9/99 Does any one have experience using only LCGO as antifoam during
filling cycle? How can we manage this problem?
- 9/13/99 What do you mean by using only LCGO as antifoam? you mean LCGO could be
used alone during coke filling without chemical defoamer?
- 9/13/99 I mean LCGO could be used alone without chemical defoamer during coke
filling.
- 9/13/99 Some people have use LCGO or HCGO (with out antifoam) when the first
alarm comes on. As soon as the first alarm activate for the second time the mixture
antifoam/LCGO is added. This will help to reduce the silicon carry over.
In coker that work with very low Furnace out let temperature
(900 - 915 ºF) this may not work due to the fact that at low furnace out let temperatures
the foaming tendency in the drum increase. For coker operation higher than 920 ºF this
could be a good practice.
- 9/30/99 Why put in HGO without anti-foam. Without the anti-foam, I think, you are
wasting your time. HGO is the best carrier because it will not flash off as fast as it
falls down the drum.
- 10/11/99 I have seen foam being knocked down by just adding carrier however the
silicone is the best way to consistently knock it down. There are other ways to minimize
foam with limiting down stream poisoning.
- 10/14/99 In Cardon Refinery (PDVSA) the Furnace out let temperature is 915 ºF
and we use LCGO (without antifoam) when the first alarm comes on. As soon as the first
alarm activate for the second time the mixture antifoam/LCGO is added.
- 10/17/99 I assume from some of the discussions that you are injecting only
carrier at the level detection of activity in the coke drum and then carrier and silcon.
Question,how effective is carrier alone and how long before the level detector detects a
level again? I won't think that carrier alone would be that effective, otherwise why would
you be injecting silcone at the next level detection? I mean no disrespect, but in my
experience and opinion, using only carrier is like spitting into the wind and eventually
you will be shooting yourself in the foot, without silcone.
I have tried HGO, LGO and nap, as carrier. The heavier the
carrier is the more effective it is. However, I did not see a really big difference in
either HGO or LGO. So which you use is just purely economics.
As Mr. Kolek has indicated there are methods of controlling
silcone carryover and effectively controlling the injection rate. As I understand it Mr.
Kolek's company has mastered various method's and ways to effectively control silcone
carryover and also have a proprietary patented method of antifoam injection into the coke,
for effective silicon carrier distribution, minimizing injection rate and carryover to
downstream hydrotreating units. These methods also I understand have been proven by them,
but you would have to get the details from Mr. Kolek. Don't treat the sympton, but
the problem and good luck.
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